Differences

This shows you the differences between two versions of the page.

Link to this comparison view

Both sides previous revision Previous revision
Next revision		 Previous revision
hse-03 [2021/11/20 04:57] – renickhse-03 [2021/11/20 07:06] (current) – renick
Line 16: Line 16:
  
 {{:eco-authorphoto-1-1569215807.jpg?800|}} {{:eco-authorphoto-1-1569215807.jpg?800|}}
- 
-photo by Camille Blake 
  
 {{:eco-open-work.jpg?200|}} {{:eco-open-work.jpg?200|}}
  
 Eco, U. (1989). The open work. Harvard University Press. Eco, U. (1989). The open work. Harvard University Press.
 +
 +influenced by Dewey, Croce
  
 [[eco-open-notes|some points from chapters 1-4 of The Open Work]] [[eco-open-notes|some points from chapters 1-4 of The Open Work]]
Line 29: Line 29:
     - pragmatic aesthetic theory     - pragmatic aesthetic theory
         - all works are inherently open (Croce, emphasized by Eco)         - all works are inherently open (Croce, emphasized by Eco)
-        - intedeterminacy, observed in quantum physics, reflected into artistic work (p. 14-15)+        - indeterminacy, observed in quantum physics, reflected into artistic work (p. 14-15)
         - "incomplete knowledge of the system is in fact an essential feature in its formation" (p. 15)         - "incomplete knowledge of the system is in fact an essential feature in its formation" (p. 15)
         - "[openness] characterizes every moment of our cognitive experience." (p. 16)         - "[openness] characterizes every moment of our cognitive experience." (p. 16)
-        - consciousness is an infintely incomplete exeperience of the universe (p. 16-17)+        - consciousness is an infinitely incomplete experience of the universe (p. 16-17)
         - our pragmatic aesthetic theory is described as "transactional" (p. 27)         - our pragmatic aesthetic theory is described as "transactional" (p. 27)
         - "knowledge is a difficult process of transaction, of negotiation: in answer to a given stimulus, the subject incorporates the memory of past perceptions into the current one and, by so doing, gives form to the experience in progress..."          - "knowledge is a difficult process of transaction, of negotiation: in answer to a given stimulus, the subject incorporates the memory of past perceptions into the current one and, by so doing, gives form to the experience in progress..." 
Line 54: Line 54:
         - more radical when the audience collaborates with the composer in making the composition (p. 12), as well as works which are incomplete and constituted of structural units, "kaleidoscopic"         - more radical when the audience collaborates with the composer in making the composition (p. 12), as well as works which are incomplete and constituted of structural units, "kaleidoscopic"
  
 +--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
 +===== algorithmic openness =====
  
 +a typical closed electronic music performance (Plastikman at Sonar)
  
 +{{:plastikman.jpg?600|}}
  
-    +TOPLAP: "Show us your screens!" https://toplap.org/
  
- +a typical live coding improvisation with text communication with the audience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXuLsLV20bw
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +
- +
-===== algorithmic openness =====+
  
 - visual openness (superficial?) - visual openness (superficial?)
  
 {{:fis-and-renick-bell-berlin-atonal-2017-_-camille-blake-1-1.jpg?800|}} {{:fis-and-renick-bell-berlin-atonal-2017-_-camille-blake-1-1.jpg?800|}}
 +
 +Fis and Renick Bell live at Berlin Atonal festival, photo by Camille Blake
  
 {{:renick-soup-algorave-151010-01-edit.jpg?800|}} {{:renick-soup-algorave-151010-01-edit.jpg?800|}}
Line 118: Line 121:
     - need for an openness in society     - need for an openness in society
     - society is increasingly mediated by algorithms     - society is increasingly mediated by algorithms
 +        - supply chain: Walmart, Carre Four, gasoline distribution, etc.
 +        - not necessarily dystopic:
 +            - Allende, Project Cybersyn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn
 +            - Towards a New Socialism (book) http://users.wfu.edu/cottrell/socialism_book/
     - problems caused by a lack of transparency     - problems caused by a lack of transparency
     - ignorance of algorithms means ignorance of the basic relations of society     - ignorance of algorithms means ignorance of the basic relations of society
 +        - Facebook, Twitter, etc. timeline algos
 +        - credit systems, face recognition etc. for crime prevention
 +    - algorithmic bias/discrimination: https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/18/21121286/algorithms-bias-discrimination-facial-recognition-transparency
     - ignorance of algorithms leads to a sense of powerlessness     - ignorance of algorithms leads to a sense of powerlessness
-    - what new relationships does open algorithmic art expose or suggest +    - Eco says open works suggest new forms of organization and relationship. what new relationships does open algorithmic art expose or suggest? 
-    - by exposing algorithms and showing how they can be beautiful, the understandability and tractability of algorithms shows new possibilities to an audience: "i could do this," "i could control an algorithm," and therefore shows possibility of agency that wasn't previously held for non-programmers+    - by exposing algorithms and showing how they can be beautiful, the understand-ability and tractability of algorithms shows new possibilities to an audience: "i could do this," "i could control an algorithm," and therefore shows possibility of agency that wasn't previously held for non-programmers
     - even for programmers, the repurposing of the algorithmic tools for art also shows new possibilities     - even for programmers, the repurposing of the algorithmic tools for art also shows new possibilities
     - foregrounding the algorithm then emphasizes these possibilities     - foregrounding the algorithm then emphasizes these possibilities
Line 147: Line 157:
  
 paradox: how can a rational algorithmic system which encapsulates logical concepts lead to radical intuitive open connection?  paradox: how can a rational algorithmic system which encapsulates logical concepts lead to radical intuitive open connection? 
 +
 it's the ineffable paradox of duality expressed in the tao te ching: accepting limits in order to be limitless it's the ineffable paradox of duality expressed in the tao te ching: accepting limits in order to be limitless
 openness, receptiveness, "know the male yet keep to the female" openness, receptiveness, "know the male yet keep to the female"
Line 154: Line 165:
 ===== conclusions, questions, discussion ===== ===== conclusions, questions, discussion =====
  
 +katya: 
 +
 +I think that the main difficulty of the auditory engagement is that while you are playing on computer u kinda incorporated the computer algorithsystem. So you act as a part or of the computer logic. And in my oppinion the musician is totaly sepated from the audience in this situation. He operates in kinda artifitial audible bubble detached from the sonic continuum and the perception experience shared with the audience.  (I also connect it with the primat of visual, as the musician is to be monitoring the labtop screen while playing.)
 +
 +renick:
 +
 +assuming this is a problem in achieving one's purpose, what strategies could the performer use to change the situation or otherwise overcome it?
 +
 +evegeniy bylina:
 +
 +https://monoskop.org/images/7/73/Kittler_Friedrich_Gramophone_Film_Typewriter.pdf
  • hse-03.1637413032.txt.gz
  • Last modified: 3 years ago
  • by renick